Except Hutt Space is literally in Republic space. They just hold so much power there that the republic hates messing with them.
Sure overall, but if you were to compare the first films in each trilogies if anything the phantom menace is kinda qui gonâs movie.
Also Just because heâs rebellious against council that doesnât give him depth, and every time he tried to negotiate anything he failed . And just saying I think liam neeson is a brilliant actor who did the best he could with what he was given.
Where has that been stated?
Qui-gon didnât fail in his negotiations with Watto.
Actually itâs the exact opposite. Anakin Skywalker was a person that cared so much for his loved ones that it lead him to the Dark Side because he cherished them too much. It started with his mother, and continued with Padme. Showing him as a child begins to show the audience the character flaws he has, and shows the pros and cons to the Jedi Code.
The Jedi were too emotionally detached, which meant that if a member did start feeling love of the romantic sort, it often turned out bad. Look at Anakin and Quinlin Vos in the Dark Disciple novel. They werenât trained on how to deal with those feelings, because of the Code.
Iâm just going to quote this rather than type it out again.
With the exception of Leia remembering Padme directly after birth (I chalk that one up to the Force), everything else pretty much falls into place. For a long while I thought I had read somewhere that Breha Organa had died when Leia was young, but upon double checking that, in both canon and legends she lived until Alderaan went poof. That would have been a fine explanation had I been right⌠Please list some examples of things you may think of as inconsistencies.
Couldnât have said it better myself.
Ultimately, the Prequel Trilogy is more the story of the failings of the Jedi Order and how that leads to the rise of Darth Vader. The Jedi Order, which is a religion, had boiled down said religion to a science to where they even know how they can tap into the Force (because Midi Chlorians are NOT the force, just the cells that allow a Force user to access it) and became so arrogant in their literal ivory towers that they couldnât smell a Sith Lord right under their noses. Had they been more open to attatchments, and not tried to shut them off completely, then maybe Anakin wouldnât have gone all murdery. Also, even with the rules that were in place, if Qui-Gon had trained Anakin, it would have been different.
Qui-Gon talked about the living Force a lot. He told Anakin how to tap into the power, but treated it like the mystical thing that it was, which many Jedi did not. Look at Nadar Vebb in Clone Wars. He saw it only as a source of power, and thatâs what led to his death at the hands of Grievous.
This is what I find fascinating about the title of The Last Jedi, as Luke may actually want the Jedi to stay gone and create a new tribe of in-between guardians because of how corrupt the Jedi Order and their code became.
Haha, I see what you did there.
In Episode I after the podrace he does say âI lost everythingâ, with maybe the exception of Shmi. ButâŚ
It does seem like he managed to rebuild and claim some of his business back. Heâs a gambler. He could have won everything back the very next day in a game of Sabacc for all we know.
Getting transport to Theed from the Gungans?
Getting Watto to agree to the podrace in the first place? There wasnât any mind trickery there, just good old fashioned knowledge of how greedy people act. It was negotiating 101, really. Make the other person feel like theyâre getting something no matter what.
Glad to see someone noticed.
This is technically fine and actually a pretty solid idea, the issue though is that a whole movie is dedicated to him being a kid and the things you have mentioned only take up a small portion of screen time and could have easily been shown either as a prologue scene. Seeing the rest of his childhood is still irrelevant.
Not trying to bash this book, but all supplemental material is irrelevant as well. If a movie did not answer a question than thatâs a case of poor writing, even if a book does explain it.
This isnât bad in of itself, but hammy presentation can really make or break something. The more you think about it, Anakonâs character is pretty lacking which doesnât help. He has a more defined personality one CW.[quote=âprentice1215, post:570, topic:651â]
also creates a huge number of inconsistencies with the original movies.
It does no such thing. Please list some examples of things you may think of as inconsistencies, and Iâll explain them.
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Leia states in Episode VI remembering her mother. Problem is in Episode III Padme dies right after giving birth. Obi-Wan didnât remember Leia in Episode V but in Episode III holds her right after sheâs born. I donât care how many books explain this, this is still an example of writers not keeping track of things.
We didnât see the rest of his childhood. We saw the defining moments of the Jedi Order discovering him, and taking him away from his mother, creating his first issue with attachments. Itâs not like the whole movie was âHereâs what he was like as a baby! And hereâs what he was like at 10! Hereâs what he was like at 14!â etc. We got the significant moment we needed and moved on.
I didnât mean the book explains it, I just was using it as an extra example of another Jedi falling to the dark side due to attachment problems. Itâs evident in the movies enough with Anakin.
This I literally was fixing in my above post as you posted, so thatâs untimely. Iâll go ahead and quote it.
I think you mean in IV? He talks to Luke about her being his sister in VI, so I think you mean IV.
Thereâs no indication that Obi-Wan âdoesnât rememberâ Leia. Itâs probably just that he doesnât tell Luke the whole truth, like he did that entire afternoon. The whole thing about Uncle Owen not wanting Anakin to get involved is most likely Bantha poodoo. We get no indication in Episode II that Owen wishes Anakin would stay on Tatooine to help on the moisture farm. Itâs just like how Obi-Wan misleads Luke by saying a Jedi named Darth Vader killed Anakin, instead of Anakin becoming Darth Vader. What he says is true, from a certain point of view. And of course that has even been explored further as almost a split personality type thing with Dark Side users with Kylo Ren claiming that he âdestroyedâ Ben Solo, and Darth Vader saying the same to Ahsoka in Rebels.
How would the information about Leia being his sister been good to reveal at that time? To reveal that, he would have needed to spin another lie, or open up the whole can of worms right then and there. He just kept his trap shut, simple as that.
Same thing with not remembering R2. R2 never belonged to Obi-Wan, he belonged to Anakin. R2 just said he belonged to him as an excuse to get the message delivered. So either Obi-Wan played coy in that situation, or he legitimately didnât remember, because Star Wars had pointed out in several instances that droids all look the same to people.
He kinda did he failed to use a mind trick
Okay.
Seems like Iâm a little bit late to this party, but for some reason TTV kept popping up as a âmature websiteâ and I couldnât access it.
Letâs look this over, shall we?
Yeah. Like nothing that wasnât represented later, better, and made more fans happy. [quote=âprentice1215, post:523, topic:651â]
The Jedi are supposed to be a force for good and to safeguard the Republic, but the second they figure out heâs their ancient enemy they go straight in to assassinate him. Thatâs not democracy!
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Assuming you mean Palpatine.
No, thatâs not Democracy⌠Thatâs common sense. You have the most powerful fiend of intergalactic terrorism and war sitting in oval office, collapsing everything in on itself so he can rise to absolute power. I doubt sitting by for an electoral vote while he continues to get you all killed is the smartest idea, especially when you are the justice of the peace.[quote=âprentice1215, post:523, topic:651â]
The Jedi Purge would have probably happened anyway, because the Senate would have turned on them after that.
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Or, yâknow, they would have shown them his lightsaber, exposed his plot to destroy the republic, probably put Valorum back in because he wasnât that bad tbhâŚ[quote=âprentice1215, post:523, topic:651â]
The Clone Wars as a whole is probably one of the dumbest wars ever
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Have you noticed itâs a lot like wars in history? gee, itâs almost as if George thought this all out in his younger, saner days⌠Yâknow, considering he mentioned it in the first movie three times.
Obviously he didnât think of every wrinkle; if he did they might be good movies.[quote=âprentice1215, post:523, topic:651â]
I think one of the biggest problems with the prequels arenât the films themselves, but the fans who watched them.
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Um⌠The same fans who are noticing George didnât do as good as he did the first three times and are not particularly happy with it?[quote=âprentice1215, post:523, topic:651â]
From 1983 to 1999 is a big gap, and is plenty of time to let expectations run wild
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Except they really didnât.
The audience for watching Star Wars movies has changed drastically, and thus so must the movies. As you can (hopefully) guess, no one can air Itâs A Wonderful Life in theaters today and expect it to be a box office hit, because itâs made for audience of a yesteryear. If we got another Star Wars in the same style as the originals⌠Nobody would like it.
However that doesnât mean these are good.[quote=âprentice1215, post:523, topic:651â]
Again, duh, because the âgood guysâ right now are the bad guys later on! Of course everything would be shiny. And things get grimy, like on Tatooine, or Geonosis, or Mustafar.
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Mustafar isnât worth even mentioning. Itâs about 3 acres of lava, and thatâs all we ever see. And yes, it was shockingly sleek for what there was, considering it was a harvesting facility with absolutely horrible building plans.
Tatooine was actually pretty decent. But thatâs about it.[quote=âprentice1215, post:523, topic:651â]
Still, the plot of Obi-Wan looking for Kamino and the start of the Clone War makes it up for me
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Exactly how? Here Obi-Wan goes off to meet aliens we never see again, to meet Jango Fett who dies really shortly after, on a planet not worth mentioning. And the CG leading up to that⌠My lands.[quote=âprentice1215, post:523, topic:651â]
So then we get two great scenes in between some Battle of Utapau stuff.
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Where?[quote=âprentice1215, post:523, topic:651â]
Anakin learns that Palpatine is Sidious and can save Padme (so he says). Anakin follows his instincts and tells Windu, who then changes his mind about going to try to persuade Palpatine to leave office, to just force him out entirely. Anakin senses whatâs happening and arrives in time to be an accomplice to murder (unless Windu is alive stillâŚ), and seeing what Mace was about to do forces his hand. The Jedi are no different than the evil Sith he was taught to hate, and Anakin has to become what he was sworn to destroy to save his wife, which then does the opposite. The tragedy of Anakin Skywalker is complete.
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Donât mention Mace being alive, please. Weâre sticking with the movies, not the theories. Otherwise we could go with the theory that the prequels are good.
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Anakin âsensingâ whatâs happening is called his slow intellect finally realizing whatâs going on. Hayden had his career ruined by this abomination of a movie and Iâm not going to be gentle to it.
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Anakin didnât become nothinâ. He suddenly switched perspective after he realized he just killed one of his masters and mentors. âOh my lands, I killed master Windu⌠Well I never had parenting so Iâm just gonna go with my emotions and the disfigured old man standing next to me instead of even putting up a fight on my part.â And then he put contacts on. Scene cut good shot everybody, letâs go get some donuts[quote=âprentice1215, post:523, topic:651â]
Everything leading up to âHenceforth you shall be known as Darth⌠Vaderâ is perfectly logical by film standards and isnât a spur-of-the-moment change like so many like to complain it is.
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Oh, no no no no. The Darth⌠Vader bit is perfectly fine. Everything else is not.[quote=âprentice1215, post:523, topic:651â]
I can see why, even if I donât agree. The Prequels at least tried something different. They gave us a backstory that has more going on than people like to think, where The Force Awakens started off strong, but kind of devolved into all of the typical Star Wars tropes by the end of the film.
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TFA was a bag of tropes and bad acting, I grant you that, but weâre here to talk about the prequels. And by the way, they technically didnât try anything different. These were all concepts in Georgeâs head around the time of the original Star Wars, ones he couldnât fulfill.[quote=âprentice1215, post:523, topic:651â]
(even if his real name being Ben makes zero sense)
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âŚKenobi. Cough cough.[quote=âprentice1215, post:523, topic:651â]
I like Jar Jar. I do. I was in Kindergarten
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Of course you do; you were the age range when you saw him. Jar jar was a Disney trope; stupid side character idiot who is the laughing gagball of the film. Show me a Disney animated movie that doesnât have at least one.
You do realize he was the comedy relief, right? the kidâs joke? that this film was specifically engineered for kids to watch?[quote=âprentice1215, post:523, topic:651â]
Jar Jar kept me going through Phantom Menace when otherwise, kids would have spaced out during the politics sequences
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Bingo.
You have just defined Jar Jarâs purpose, and why he was a problem. I donât see how this is a defense argument.[quote=âprentice1215, post:523, topic:651â]
He figured, âIâll throw in some more complex themes and ideas for this audience that has grown up, while still keeping it fairly fun for the new crowdâ.
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Technically it is.
Itâs just absolutely horrible.[quote=âprentice1215, post:523, topic:651â]
So, after spending nearly an hour and a half writing this essay, I present my argument to you
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In a nutshell, the main defense is Jar Jar, who is an absolute problem and didnât fix nothinâ. He was a kidâs trope that ate up time and distracted younger audiences from realizing how dry the movies were. They even figured out how to mess Grievous up. I mean, how do you mess up the quick-moving, jedi killing machine that debuted in Clone Wars? George left to nothing but his out devices. It wasnât George who made Star Wars what it is, it was an idea in which everybody contributed. And Iâm sorry to say, but this is what happens when George Lucas thinks everything he does is right and all the actors agree so they get a bigger paycheck.
Itâs not movie making anymore. Itâs money printing. If you donât believe me, check the Guiness book of world records and see what the highest grossing movie at box office is: Episode 1. Possibly the worst Star Wars movie ever made. And thatâs all it was, is and ever will be - a money machine, until about 2070, when the license on Star Wars expires and people can finally fix it.
Sorry, but the prequels are bad to the core and rotted from the inside out long ago. If you like them, good, you can get some enjoyment out of them. But Iâm sticking with Star Trek.
âŚOn a species that was immune to mind tricks.[quote=âprentice1215, post:573, topic:651â]
Same thing with not remembering R2. R2 never belonged to Obi-Wan, he belonged to Anakin. R2 just said he belonged to him as an excuse to get the message delivered. So either Obi-Wan played coy in that situation, or he legitimately didnât remember, because Star Wars had pointed out in several instances that droids all look the same to people.
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Obi-Wan has existed alongside R2 for so long that itâd be rather hard for him not to recognize him. At first might have been a challenge, since he was currently some distance away and R2 was in the shadows.
In the movies maybe, but in real life the actor was apparently a bit of a creep around Natalie Portman
Also Iâm aware that my that toydarians are immune to mind tricks. I was more making s joke than an actual point.
We get significant moments but that still doesnât change the fact that most of the events covering Anakin in Episode I arenât necessary. Ask yourself, is stuff like pod racing really that important to any thing in the grand scheme of things. No. Not really.
It was actually V, but yeah I still got that detail wrong, I apologize there. I was referring to the scene where heâs talking to Yoda right after Luke leaves Dagobah.
It actually was, like, incredibly important. First off, it established the fact that Anakin was incredibly powerful in the Force without his even realizing it. No human had ever competed in a podrace; the fact that he didnât crash was amazing, let alone the fact that he won. Second, without the podrace, Anakin wouldnât have won his freedom. His entire future was betting on the race. If he hadnât competed and won, Anakin Skywalker wouldnât be a name of any significance in the Star Wars universe.
I donât think that would have mattered. We have a certain perspective on things because weâre the audience. But letâs say in ancient Rome, the Catholic Church ran into Rome, took out the Emperor, and said âitâs okay, he was a bad guy!â. Do you think that would have gone over well? Actually, considering a good chunk of the population was Christian, it may have actually gone over okaish.
The Jedi Order was something that everyone in the Republic knew about but didnât really know much about, let alone trust much of the time. If this small sect of a religious order (ten thousand is not large on a galactic scale) came in and deposed the in-office leader of the government, there would be repercussions no matter what their excuse. To a random person living in the Republic that wasnât disenchanted with it, Palpatine was a stand up guy who could do no wrong. His death would have caused public outcry and the Senate would have had the Clone Army turn on the Jedi anyway.
Except, you know, they did. How many times have you seen someone say, âthis isnât Star Warsâ? Everyone has an idea of what Star Wars is. Some people donât even like Return of the Jedi because they think itâs too silly. The stuff in the prequels went against what people expected, and so they reacted negatively.
Iâm not sure what youâre saying here. Are you saying Mustafar was sleek but had a bad building design? Whatâs the comment about the overall ascetic about the Prequels, or is that it?
Itâs a big mystery. Kamino somehow doesnât exist on any public records anymore. Itâs been whiped from the charts. Itâs as if someone took the name of a small town in Texas where the military was secretly doing stuff off the map. Whatâs the big secret? Why is it so secret you had to tamper with public records? When you find the place, why do people say theyâre expecting you? Whatâs really going on? Whoâs pulling the strings here? Thatâs not intriguing in the slightest? And what do you mean Geonosis isnât even worth mentioning?
Oh, come on, you donât even like the Opera scene and the âAnakin-Padme-stare-at-each-other-but-not-really-while-Palpatine-Force-talks-to-Anakinâ scene?
Thereâs also a few Kashyyyk scene mixed in too. Forgot about those.
Was just acknowledging it. Not trying to prove or disprove anything.
Finally realizing? With the doubts Palpatine put into Anakinâs head about the council at that point, but still wanting to trust them, of course it took him awhile to finally sense what was happening. He was a conflicted mess, and that was only one of the things he was dealing with.
Have you never had to make a decision along the lines of âmaybe I should⌠maybe I shouldnât⌠but then again⌠no, I shouldnât⌠but⌠no⌠ok, Iâm doing itâ. Thatâs what Anakin was going through. Sensing the massacre in Palpatineâs office finally got him moving.
Have we watched different movies? Itâs painfully obvious to me all the things that led up to him becoming Darth Vader. Clear and crystal. It wasnât sudden. Again, even without The Clone Wars helping him along the path, Episode III still does a good job pushing Anakin over the edge of the path he started on in Episode II when he murdered the Tusken village. He gave into his fears and doubt.
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
Fear of losing his mother, wife, and unborn child, put on top of doubts about the Jedi Council and Jedi code lead to anger against them. This leads to his hatred of the Jedi and his overconfidence in his new found power. His hate leads to him being burned to a crisp on Mustafar and forced to live the rest of his life on life support inside a suit.
How anyone can think he just all of a sudden changed in the blink of an eye puzzles me.
But he didnât utilize them until the Prequels. An idea can be in your head as long as you want, but until itâs been put into effect, it might as well not exist. George obviously had some semblance of what he wanted to do. In the Episode IV novelization, in the opening pages, it describes the events that led to the formation of the Empire that Alan Dean Foster included based on Georgeâs notes. We didnât see all the intricacies of that until the 90s. Compared to the OT, the Prequels tried new things, yes.
Duh. Iâm not an idiot, of course heâs named after Ben Kenobi. Han did nothing but back talk and disrespect Obi-Wan in the short time he knew him. Maybe when he grew older his view on Old Ben softened, seeing as he did sacrifice himself, and he and Leia decided to go with Ben because of that, or maybe because of how much he meant to Luke, or both.
But we donât know that. Unless it comes up in The Last Jedi or Episode IX, there has been nothing to support why Han would want that as a name for his son.
Yes. You even show that I realize that.
See? Jar Jar is the comic relief to keep the kids entertained, as I said. Now, would a better comic relief keep both kids and adults happy? Absolutely. But Jar Jar performs his task perfectly in entertaining the kids. Itâs just an unfortunate byproduct that adults seem to loath him.
In your opinion.
This is the âproblemâ with Grievous in Episode III and Clone Wars (mainly CW). Grievous is a deadly warrior whoâs both acrobatic and smart. Heâs killed many Jedi (as seen by his trophy collection in Clone Wars), and won a lot of battles. The Jedi talk about this. The problem is, is that most of the canon screen time we have with him, heâs fighting Obi-Wan or heâs leading an army via the command center before going out to kill NPCs. Because of his constant duels with Obi-Wan in CW, we canât see him win (because that would mean killing Kenobi, which canât happen), so he has to follow Dookuâs advice from the same series that made him a murder machine and retreat, since heâs obviously not winning.
In Episode III, heâs cornered by Obi-Wan and Anakin in a cramped space. Not much to do but escape into space and hope they get sucked into vacuum and reclaim the ship, or just retreat. The battle was lost either way, so it was a win-win (sorta) situation in that regard. His fight with Obi-Wan on Utapau would prove to be his last, so of course itâs well documented he lost that fight. It only looks like he loses a lot and is a coward because we donât get to see him against characters that can be killed off like majority of Jedi on Hypori during the micro series (it was retconned that basically all of those Jedi ended up living anyway, save one or two). That I can see being put on George still, and Iâll accept that argument, but I still see Grievous as the savage killer he was in the micro series.
Well, if that was your view before the purchase, that hasnât changed with the mouse in chargeâŚ
I hate Disney
I think Lucas saw it both ways. He saw a way to make money, but he also had a story he wanted to tell. Like with the originals he also spent a lot of money to make these films. If someone only wanted to make money, Iâd think theyâd spend as little as possible to rake in the maximum rewards.
Yes, I do.
âHe was the best star-pilot in the galaxyâŚâ- Obi-Wan Kenobi, Episode IV: A New Hope
The podrace sequence shows that even from a young age he was adept at piloting, and was strong with the force. Same with taking down the Droid control ship.
Also this.
Obi-Wan didnât believe in Leia. Yoda did. Obi-Wan didnât think Anakin was the chosen one, he thought it was Luke. Luke would bring balance to the Force by destroying the Sith. Obi-Wan spent time with Luke and started his training. He had maybe a few hours contact with Leia as a baby. Obi-Wanâs sole hope was in Luke, as evident by his âThat boy is our last hopeâŚâ, while Yoda thinks Leia could be a back up OR heâs talking about Anakin, which he would be right about. Anakin does fuffil the prophecy and destroy the Sith after some prodding from Luke.
Of course in 1980 is was really just to make the audience go âWhaaaaaâŚ?â
That kind of thing actually happened quite a lot in history, because when you have a certain population of people who accept and respect you as authority figures (as the people of the galaxy did the Jedi) they are very willing to accept your explanation for such things, especially if it doesnât dramatically affect their livelihood. If the Jedi then made themselves dictators, it might have gone over more poorly, but most of us know and believe that they wouldnât have done that. Sure, there were probably patriots in the Republic who really supported Palpatine, but none of them had the power to orchestrate a Jedi Purge, and even combined they might not have had enough support. Palpatine succeeded because he had both total control and the advantage of being a Sith, meaning that if the Jefi had killed him, no one would remain to exercise the power he had, and even if they could have, they would not be able to beat the Jedi, as they were not Sith.
Thatâs not even a fair argument. How was he supposed to know Toydarians were immune to mind tricks?
Iâd buy that, except that itâs hinted throughout much of The Clone Wars that the Jedi were losing favor with the public everyday. In Season 2, thereâs a recording of Palpatine defending the Jedi that Ahsoka clings to in âLightsaber Lostâ for instance. Thereâs a protest in front of the Jedi Temple at the beginning of the Ahsoka arc in Season 5. Also, the public as a whole believed Palpatineâs partially true story when he reformatted the Republic into the Galactic Empire. It was really only the founding members of the Rebel Alliance in the Senate, some freedom fighters like Saw Gerrera, and Galen and Lyra Erso who didnât believe him. If the public really had cared that much for the Jedi, there would have been something noted about people questioning it.
Thatâs true, but everyone certainly seemed to miss them when they were gone. And that still doesnât detract from the fact that the Jedi had pretty much no choice but to take out Palpatine. After all, the public are not likely to believe that their leader is a Sith Lord, and not killing him only gives him more of a chance to do what heâs already done: gain even more power. Whatâs good for the Republic doesnât matter in that moment. Killing him is the only option.
Yeah, like 10 years on. It didnât happen overnight for most, and even then, there were some worlds that still liked the Empire after the Rebellion became a thing. Thatâs why thereâs the First Order later on down the line.
It was a lose-lose situation for them for sure. Either kill the Chancellor because heâs evil and have the Senate kick you out at best or at worst kill you, or let the Chancellor become an Emperor and kill you all anyways.
Either way, that poor âMaster SkywalkerâŚâ kid wasnât going to live to see another birthday.
Ahem, please actually read a history book with some credibility. No, really. The Catholic church was Rome and still is.[quote=âprentice1215, post:579, topic:651â]
If this small sect of a religious order (ten thousand is not large on a galactic scale) came in and deposed the in-office leader of the government, there would be repercussions no matter what their excuse.
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Hey, thatâs right.
Also, guess who saw them, and guess who could prove it was them, when it could easily be explained as a Sith?[quote=âprentice1215, post:579, topic:651â]
Palpatine was a stand up guy who could do no wrong. His death would have caused public outcry and the Senate would have had the Clone Army turn on the Jedi anyway.
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Again, there should have been absolutely no witness to Palpatineâs death. A shuttle goes to Palpatineâs quarters, a shuttle leaves. One dead Chancellor and no Sith Anakin. Weâre just lucky olâ Ani had emotional problems and nearly no self control.[quote=âprentice1215, post:579, topic:651â]
How many times have you seen someone say, âthis isnât Star Warsâ?
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Every time they see the Prequels.[quote=âprentice1215, post:579, topic:651â]
Everyone has an idea of what Star Wars is. Some people donât even like Return of the Jedi because they think itâs too silly. The stuff in the prequels went against what people expected, and so they reacted negatively.
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Yes, because the quota was met and the Sequels failed miserably to come close to meeting it.[quote=âprentice1215, post:579, topic:651â]
Iâm not sure what youâre saying here. Are you saying Mustafar was sleek but had a bad building design? Whatâs the comment about the overall ascetic about the Prequels, or is that it?
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There was too little Mustafar and what we did see was very disappointing. The building is not very smart because the large towers which serve no obvious purpose except being material to fight on later stand directly next to the giant pit of magma, next to a magmafall, etc. etc. and it all makes for a very campy fight scene which could have taken place anywhere else with an open flame.[quote=âprentice1215, post:579, topic:651â]
Itâs a big mystery. Kamino somehow doesnât exist on any public records anymore. Itâs been whiped from the charts. Itâs as if someone took the name of a small town in Texas where the military was secretly doing stuff off the map. Whatâs the big secret? Why is it so secret you had to tamper with public records? When you find the place, why do people say theyâre expecting you? Whatâs really going on? Whoâs pulling the strings here? Thatâs not intriguing in the slightest? And what do you mean Geonosis isnât even worth mentioning?
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It exists for one segment and is otherwise not worth mentioning, as little occurs there. You might as well have put the cloning facility on the backside of Tatooine, at least that way we wouldnât have had to meet Dexter Jetser.[quote=âprentice1215, post:579, topic:651â]
Oh, come on, you donât even like the Opera scene and the âAnakin-Padme-stare-at-each-other-but-not-really-while-Palpatine-Force-talks-to-Anakinâ scene?
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âŚRemind me what there is to like.[quote=âprentice1215, post:579, topic:651â]
Finally realizing? With the doubts Palpatine put into Anakinâs head about the council at that point, but still wanting to trust them, of course it took him awhile to finally sense what was happening. He was a conflicted mess, and that was only one of the things he was dealing with.
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Yes, youâre proving my point. He was so disdraught and dunderheaded that the immediate situation of Palpatine basically proving he was a Sith Lord to him didnât stir one little hair on his head. It was only after a while that he realized his Senpai might die, so he rushed off to convince himself of it. Then we lost one of the only good roles Samuel L. Jackson ever played, Darth Icky the True was relabeled Darth⌠Vader, and Vaderâs backstory was forever ruined by this horrible role.[quote=âprentice1215, post:579, topic:651â]
Have we watched different movies? Itâs painfully obvious to me all the things that led up to him becoming Darth Vader. Clear and crystal. It wasnât sudden. Again, even without The Clone Wars helping him along the path, Episode III still does a good job pushing Anakin over the edge of the path he started on in Episode II when he murdered the Tusken village. He gave into his fears and doubt.
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
Fear of losing his mother, wife, and unborn child, put on top of doubts about the Jedi Council and Jedi code lead to anger against them. This leads to his hatred of the Jedi and his overconfidence in his new found power. His hate leads to him being burned to a crisp on Mustafar and forced to live the rest of his life on life support inside a suit.
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And then showing nearly nothing except anger at some of the Jediâs bad decision making and having bad dreams.[quote=âprentice1215, post:579, topic:651â]
How anyone can think he just all of a sudden changed in the blink of an eye puzzles me.
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Except he did⌠He switched as soon as George told him to. Itâs called acting, specifically bad acting.[quote=âprentice1215, post:579, topic:651â]
But he didnât utilize them until the Prequels. An idea can be in your head as long as you want, but until itâs been put into effect, it might as well not exist. George obviously had some semblance of what he wanted to do. In the Episode IV novelization, in the opening pages, it describes the events that led to the formation of the Empire that Alan Dean Foster included based on Georgeâs notes. We didnât see all the intricacies of that until the 90s. Compared to the OT, the Prequels tried new things, yes.
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- He utilized the Clone Wars.
- He utilized the Emperor before he even existed.
- You literally just stated that he had some of the ideas written down, in novels.[quote=âprentice1215, post:579, topic:651â]
Maybe when he grew older his view on Old Ben softened, seeing as he did sacrifice himself, and he and Leia decided to go with Ben because of that, or maybe because of how much he meant to Luke, or both.
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Hey, you answered it for me.[quote=âprentice1215, post:579, topic:651â]
But we donât know that. Unless it comes up in The Last Jedi or Episode IX, there has been nothing to support why Han would want that as a name for his son.
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Except, yâknow, the implications from what you just described. Oh, and the fact that Obi-Wan kinda saved all their lives and made a big impact which, while subtle, is still shown.[quote=âprentice1215, post:579, topic:651â]
See? Jar Jar is the comic relief to keep the kids entertained, as I said. Now, would a better comic relief keep both kids and adults happy? Absolutely. But Jar Jar performs his task perfectly in entertaining the kids. Itâs just an unfortunate byproduct that adults seem to loath him.
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No, thereâs another problem. Heâs also a horrible comedy relief. Instead of actually being funny, which is his one job, or entertaining even, heâs obnoxious, idiotic, and somewhat terrifying in his animation. Done really well, Jar Jar Binks might be a really good character. HoweverâŚ[quote=âprentice1215, post:579, topic:651â]
In your opinion.
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Kudos, kid. Kudos.
K, so um, remind me how CW is perfect.
Seriously, I know Grievous never really won against the significant jedi he was paired with. However he didnât in anything he was in, neither did Vader when he wasnât scripted to, and also why the main villain of a TV show doesnât kill the protagonist quickly. However, Grievous was proved to be faster than the force in CW. If he couldnât hold his own and be an incredibly deadly characterâŚ[quote=âprentice1215, post:579, topic:651â]
In Episode III
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âŚHe might just be the Episode III Grievous.
Nothing wrong here, except that he put up literally no fight to begin with. From a filmmakerâs perspective itâs fine, considering the four-arms deal was a reveal to most people.[quote=âprentice1215, post:579, topic:651â]
His fight with Obi-Wan on Utapau would prove to be his last, so of course itâs well documented he lost that fight.
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Did he have to completely suck at fighting while it happened? He starts with spinning his lightsabers in a block, marching towards Kenobi, who jabs in and stops the spin. Grievous cuts a few times and flips over hisâŚ
âŚOh, he just stands there and puts all his lightsabers into blocking Kenobiâs repeatedly. Ah, there he blocks with one this time, letting him go in and stabâŚ
âŚOh. he just stands there and lets Kenobi take his hand off, despite having four other arms. Ok, so heâŚ
âŚDoes it again. Ok, here we go! heâs got him in a lock. Heâs taunting him. Obi-Wan says the catchphrase. He reels back for a force push, and Grievous dodgesâŚ
âŚHe stands there the whole time heâs deliberately drawing his arm back, despite being clearly strong enough to overpower Kenobiâs one lightsaber arm or quick enough to dodge the force blast. Okay, heâs fallen off the wall. Ooh, heâs going to pull an exorcist, hm? well this should beâŚ
Boring, because heâs running away do I even have to go on? even at the very end, he doesnât bother to cover his vital organs despite his chest previously being crushed by Mace Windu in CW.
Goodness, they canât do anything right.[quote=âprentice1215, post:579, topic:651â]
Well, if that was your view before the purchase, that hasnât changed with the mouse in chargeâŚ
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Letâs talk TFA later.[quote=âprentice1215, post:579, topic:651â]
I think Lucas saw it both ways. He saw a way to make money, but he also had a story he wanted to tell. Like with the originals he also spent a lot of money to make these films. If someone only wanted to make money, Iâd think theyâd spend as little as possible to rake in the maximum rewards.
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George knows how to make money and put minimum effort into it. Itâs called âmake three really bad sequels to the original Star Wars movies and people will watch them anywayâ. And by your arguments it seems to have worked.[quote=âprentice1215, post:579, topic:651â]
âHe was the best star-pilot in the galaxyâŚâ- Obi-Wan Kenobi, Episode IV: A New Hope
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This, uh, could have been dealt with literally any other way.[quote=âprentice1215, post:579, topic:651â]
Obi-Wan didnât think Anakin was the chosen one
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What.
He trained him, fought with him, fought him, knew he was far more powerful in the force than any other jedi or sith, and went to Luke as an alternative not because he stopped âbelieving in Anakinâ.[quote=âprentice1215, post:579, topic:651â]
Obi-Wanâs sole hope was in Luke, as evident by his âThat boy is our last hopeâŚâ
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No, he was making sure his final reserve didnât die. [quote=âprentice1215, post:579, topic:651â]
Yoda thinks Leia could be a back up OR
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Or nothing. From the very beginning Yoda denied Anakin even being a Jedi. It makes sense that their hopes for the now-sith lord were dwindling away after so long. But Yoda was a greater jedi than Obi-Wan, and undoubtedly felt the force in Leia long before Obi-Wan started looking.[quote=âprentice1215, post:579, topic:651â]
Of course in 1980 is was really just to make the audience go âWhaaaaaâŚ?â
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So were many other things, like Vader being Lukeâs dad.[quote=âprentice1215, post:582, topic:651â]
Iâd buy that, except that itâs hinted throughout much of The Clone Wars that the Jedi were losing favor with the public everyday.
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Do you know how quickly the public today changes their collective mind? go to politics if you donât believe me.[quote=âprentice1215, post:582, topic:651â]
there would have been something noted about people questioning it.
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It was probably an aftermath feeling, and the rousing applaud to kill the jedi were from Palpatine living, deformed, after the attack. Plus, if you go out and pity the crowds you can get them to do nearly anything.[quote=âprentice1215, post:584, topic:651â]
It was a lose-lose situation for them for sure. Either kill the Chancellor because heâs evil and have the Senate kick you out at best or at worst kill you, or let the Chancellor become an Emperor and kill you all anyways.
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Better to kill the Chancellor because heâs evil and tough out the storm, hoping someone good will replace him, than to let him live and make things a hundred times worse.[quote=âprentice1215, post:584, topic:651â]
Either way, that poor âMaster SkywalkerâŚâ kid wasnât going to live to see another birthday.
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Well, he could always be Snoke. Dont kill me i was being sarcastic